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It’s been a remarkable and frustrating two weeks since the “official” revelations about Harvey Weinstein and a long history of harassment and abuse that’s festered just under Hollywood’s surface.

We’ve seen women speak out about their experiences with Weinstein himself; watched as men elsewhere in the industry—like James Van Der Beek, ’s Terry Crews, and Hamilton’s Javier Muñoz—shared their own stories; and witnessed America Ferarra and Mc Kayla Maroney, among others, reveal abuse that happened in childhood.

They blocked out “meeting” times in his schedule; they knew that he was buying the silence of multiple Hollywood starlets; in some cases, they were the ones sending young actresses up to the hotel rooms where their boss was dropping trou and demanding massages on an apparently constant basis.

They are the women like Donna Karan, who, when asked about her friendship with Weinstein and soon-to-be-ex-wife Georgina Chapman, pulled a stock response from , saying “How do we present ourselves as women? Are we asking for it by presenting all the sensuality and all the sexuality? You look at everything all over the world today and how women are dressing and what they are asking by just presenting themselves the way they do. Trouble.” (Karan has since apologized for her remarks.) They are the women whose responses don’t outright blame victims, but whose stated feminism belies a shopworn, Taylor Swift–caliber good-girl/bad-girl binary.

As high-profile revelations about predatory men tumble out onto our timelines like clown-car passengers, the role of such women has come into focus.

They are the collateral damage of a long-brewing disaster, a crucial bit of circuitry in a dangerous system.

They may not commit the abuse, and they almost certainly don’t condone it.

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